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The Cole Debacle

Recent events with Raven Avalon makes us wonder just how much of her material is just a pile of lies.

Back in the end of December, RA started changing her name on her websites, and on her books.  The name Isadora (Raven Avalon) Cole started to appear everywhere.

There was a statement placed on her Facebook page as well, citing her supposed lineage.  Perhaps this was in response to the questions that were asked about her background by the Bustin’ Chops Blog, we really do not know.

We thought this rather curious, because the Coven Ouroborous et Ova, which is no longer in existence, was also the coven of Donna Cole Schultz.  How curious that her name would also take a change at this point to Cole as well.

We made some very discrete inquiries into her membership.  We received some very interesting replies.

As you can see, she got bolder.  Now she was claiming that Ms. Cole was her grandmother.  We looked further, and then sent out public inquiries late last month.

What alerted us to the possibility that she was bogus was the date of Ms. Cole-Schultz’ death. Ms. Schultz dies in 2004.  Obits are posted all over the web.

RA’s books appeared with her new name on them as well.  And then suddenly, the books were disappearing, and reappearing without the Cole name attached!

 

 

I found an obit on the web for Ms. Donna Cole-Schultz.

Schultz, Donna C.

April 01, 2004

Donna Cole Schultz, beloved wife of Robert Schultz; daughter of the late Sally and Arthur Weiss; mother of four cats. Donations can be made to any animal welfare organization. For information of memorial service call 773-525-9194 .

Pasted from <http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-04-01/news/0404010119_1_sally-donations-memorial>

As you can see, the obit does not mention children, other than her cats.  Again, we are puzzled.

 

 

The material she posted with her Cole name started disappearing, going back to Raven Avalon.  BTW, if anyone knows where she snatched that little photo up there, do let us know.  I suspect it was scanned from a magazine, the moray pattern of the print ink shows badly.

 

She was not too coordinated in her attempt to backtrack her work.  The Facebook pages appeared to be a jumble of quick edits and changes to try to hide what she had done.

 

This scenario is reminiscent of the change over from the Rochelle Moore name to the Raven Avalon name.  She reused websites and photographs that were clearly used by Rochelle Moore, to the point where they could be backtracked to photographers releases for use.  And she has reused Rochelle Moores books and tried to pass them off as her own. See the Chops blog for that whole story. We have copies of both the Guidebook as well as the Magick for the New Witch & Wiccan which are pretty much the same book with very minor changes to the content.  Very minor.

Raven Avalon may have tried to cover this up once we started asking publically for verification of her claims.  But what she has done on all on her own is to prove that the claims were false, or else she still would have the Cole name attached to her work and her Facebook pages.  I believe she is attempting to cover up this whole affair because it is a major failure to try to establish credentials in the American Pagan Community.  I believe she has no credentials and her actions seem to reflect it.  We are awaiting verification from a credentialing service that has launched inquiries on our behalf to members of the community to validate the claims and we will post those findings when we have them.

And I have to ask a very interesting question… why is she using the American market to establish credentials for her British Coven?  As Bustin’ Chops has pointed out, she has no coven in Britain.   People who are well acquainted with the area she claims to be located in have never heard of her.  People have been asked, local known groups have been contacted, and no one has ever heard of her or her coven.  So, we have some very serious questions that have been asked again and again, and all they can come up with are lies and attempts to deceive the pagan community.

There is more.  Much more.  Stay tuned.  We are working on this even deeper.

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OooH! Me back!

As promised, gas-mask donned, TGW has been digging in the shite this weekend – heh wana see what I dug up?

Lets take that Amazon reviewer Siobhan Whelan who goes by the name Lilane, for a start, the one who leaves loads of reviews and comments in favour of Lady Raven Avalon and Rochelle Moore, who, lets not forget, are supposed to be her (that’s Lilane) pen-names or puppet accounts.

She’s supposed to be a copyright thief, right? So lets get that spade to some of Liane’s Amazon reviews and see if what we’ve heard and read is right or not… it didn’t take long to come up with yet more shite and confirmation that this dude is just full of it!

We like Bucky’s Big Blue Book – we’ve had it a good few years now so when we saw ole Lilane had reviewed it of course we had to take a dig.. here’s what she says:

“4.0 out of 5 stars a great addition to a reading collection, September 18, 2010

Raymond Buckland and Llewellyn thought it important to market.While some of the basic premises of Craft practice and such are great, no book, no author, no magickal tool is ever going to take the place of actual hands on practice.

Buckland has done not so much  service to Wicca and the Craft as a viable religious system but rather caused far damage and discord within the Craft in the form of drama and flailing egos as a result of the book’s claims. 

There is good information on candle magick, magickal alphabets and books of shadows, ritual set up, etc. But of course none of this means anything if the reader does not actually get up and do the work. Reading this work is not going to be enough to make you a third degree anything.”

Remember, this person has a reputation for taking others words and using them as her own AND MAKING MONEY OUT OF IT… compare (I’ve made it easy for you) the above with this below – I’m off to rest my back in readiness for more digging :/

Customer Review

1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars Inflated Expectations, November 2, 2009
This review is from: Buckland’s Complete Book of Witchcraft (Llewellyn’s Practical Magick) (Paperback)

This book is rather (non)affectionately referred to as “Uncle Bucky’s Big Book O’ Wicca”. For whatever reason, Raymond Buckland and Llewellyn thought it important to market a book that infers that by reading it, yes, you, too can be a Third Degree in Wicca. This claim is pretty absurd – and I have experienced little ones (teenagers) coming up to me and claiming Third Degree credentials. A five minute conversation usually will uncover just how much the self-professed “Initiate” doesn’t know. Buckland has done not so much a service to Wicca and the Craft as a viable religious system but rather caused far damage and discord within the Craft in the form of drama and flailing egos as a result of the book’s claims.

While some of the basic premises of Craft practice and such are great, no book, no author, no magickal tool is ever going to take the place of actual hands on practice. As an herbalist who has spent a lifetime in the study, there is not enough information doeseages or caveats towards health or pre-existing conditions being given in this book for those would be Witches to just start playing around with herbs. For his I would thoroughly reommend the books of Matthew Wood, in particular “The Book of Herbal Wisdom” and also James Greene’s “The Medicine-Maker’s Handbook” and other authors such as Rosemary Gladstar and Susun Weed – who herself is a very accomplished and well published herbalist and Green Witch. There are much better magical treatises on herbs such as Paul V. Beyerl’s Master Book of Herbalism”, which so thorough that it makes Buckland’s little chapter look rather incomplete if not a little absurd. Herbal work really does require oversight by knowledgable teachers in order to avoid calamity, and they are out there. Buckland should have more strongly asserted this in the book. 

There is good information on candle magick, magickal alphabets and books of shadows, ritual set up, etc. But of course none of this means anything if the reader does not actually get up and do the work. Reading this work is not going to be enough to make you a third degree anything other than a fool for buying into the idea that “faith” of any kind without hard work is dead. I give this book three stars mainly because of the misrepresentation of both what it can achieve and how compleat the herbal knowledge consists of.


Crazy Asshat!

WOW!

Well that was quick – no sooner than our posts were up and she goes and changed the goal posts, deleting the book and re-adding it again!

Left me speechless it did! :/

Not only that but she is continuing to bash the reviewers on yet another site and she’s nicked our name! :/

Guess it’s true what they’re saying… this crazy asshat doesn’t have an original idea about her!

 

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